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Wednesday, November 26, 2003
the pickin' machine, part 2
avkash patel of the raindrops did an excellent analysis of the a's scott hatteberg signing. he kindly refers to my article from august, in which i say some similar things, and gush about scott's glove.
avkash's explanation is better than mine, because he uses batting average on balls in play and is clearer. he says everything i was trying to say and more. plus, to even understand my post you have to spend 10 hours plumbing around figuring out the ridiculous formulae.
also, i used clay davenport's fielding analysis, which i think overstates the importance of first basemen. so anyway, i'm glad someone increased the truth out there.
"the raindrops" is a lyrical blog title. it evokes the sadness and frustration of a washed-out game, which is appropriate for this time of year: the interminable wait known as the void.
Monday, November 24, 2003
win shares and free agents
carl bialik wrote an interesting article about this year's crop of free agents and their 2003 win shares. normally it costs money, but in the true spirit of the internet i am presenting it to you for free. almost. the only cost to you is you have to read my commentary. no cheating!
i can do this because i have no assets. anyone that sues me is in for a colossal disappointment.
AT WHAT COST?
Sifting for Value Among Baseball's Free Agents
By CARL BIALIK
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ONLINE
With a stocked market of free agents, baseball's general managers are going on a holiday shopping spree. Among the 210 players who have gone on the open market are catcher Javy Lopez, shortstop Miguel Tejada and pitcher Andy Pettitte. But how to value all of that talent?
To help GMs sort out the (solid and reasonably priced) Brian Andersons from the (pricey and middling) Brian Jordans, we've ranked available free agents by a statistic called win shares. Win shares, developed by statistical guru and Boston Red Sox adviser Bill James, combines all offensive, defensive and pitching statistics into one number. The statistic shows the player's contribution to his team's wins -- and wins, of course, are the currency of baseball. Many baseball analysts find the stat more effective than any single standard statistic like batting average or pitching wins in capturing players' value. (Explaining the statistic in full detail takes Mr. James 120 pages in his book "Win Shares"; for lighter background reading, see Rob Neyer's evaluation of the book on ESPN.com).
Of course, our method has its flaws. For one, we're using just 2003 stats, which means we may overstate the value of players who managed to top their career numbers this past season, and we entirely miss players who sat out the season because of injuries. We're also not taking into account age. (These two factors mean Vladimir Guerrero, the most valued prize on the market, rates as only the third best right fielder by our measure.) Plus, by looking at just major-league stats, we miss two highly anticipated free agents from overseas: Japan's Kazuo Matsui and Cuba's Maels Rodriguez.
Still, even with their imperfections, these numbers offer a handy look at some of the best talent that's available at each position -- and some clues about how baseball's general managers will value them.
Top Free Agents at Each Position and Their 2003 Stats and Salaries
CATCHER
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARES BATTING AVERAGE HOME RUNS SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Javier Lopez, 33 Braves $7.0 million 29.73 .328 43 $235,452
Broke record for home runs in a season by a catcher. Desire to shift from backstop to less-demanding position diminishes his value. Also, the predictive value of his 2003 performance is suspect; he posted career highs in slugging and on-base percentage at age 33. (Then again, ever heard of Barry Bonds?) His agent guesses Mr. Lopez will land elsewhere next year.
2003: .328/.378/.687 (avg/obp/slg)
career (incl 2003): .287/.337/.502
his contact rate was slightly down this year. but his walks improved. his 43/29 hr/2b ratio is a little high, suggesting luck, but you don't get that kind of power spike from luck. the average also indicates luck, but increased power yields increased average. call it half luck half muscles. where did he get the muscles? idunno; must be some magic strength potion or something.
whatever the cause, javy lopez went from a money pit to a bargain at $7 million.
he'll be overpaid in 2004.
Ivan Rodriguez, 32 Marlins $9.3 million 23.45 .297 16 $397,369
The NLCS MVP's postseason heroics boost his market value.
sure, but let's not make too much of that. the regular season is the only thing close to a representative sample size, which even the sabermetrically ignorant know, if not explicitly, then intuitively.
pudge has young-player skills, so he's a good bet to continue his success. he'll be one of the top 2 in the majors next year, along with jorge posada, who would be even better if he would stop trying to hit left-handed.
Brad Ausmus, 34 Astros $5.5 million 11.83 .229 4 $464,920
Weak hitter makes the list for his sterling fielding and ability to nab baserunners.
just re-signed, at $2 million per. that's about $1.5 mil too much. a smart gm would nab brian schneider, yorvit torrealba, michael barret, or robby hammock, who are cheap and promising. american league options include toby hall and miguel olivo, but those guys are probably difficult to acquire.
Brent Mayne, 35 Royals $2.8 million 9.97 .245 6 $275,827
Royals declined to exercise a $3 million option on him. His age will deter some possible suitors.
and the fact that he can't hit. his career avg/obp/slg is .265/.333/.353. ugh! and it's mostly in hitters parks! he may shift to backup in 2004.
FIRST BASE
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARES BATTING AVERAGE HOME RUNS SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Rafael Palmeiro, 39 Rangers $9.0 million 19.21 .260 38 $468,506
Nearing 40, Mr. Palmeiro can no longer play first base every day. Still, his ageless bat seems a sure bet to provide value to an AL team next year from the designated-hitter spot -- in 2003 Mr. Palmeiro, a Viagra flack when off the field, reached at least 38 homers and 104 runs batted in for ninth straight season. Unlikely to return to suddenly budget-conscious Rangers.
still has patience, contact, and power. he was actually unlucky this year. will continue to produce.
J.T. Snow, 36 Giants $6.9 million 13.95 .273 8 $491,039
Bounced back from two off years but missed a third of the season to groin injury.
the only bouncing for snow was the ball bouncing between infielders. he is no longer worth a major league roster spot.
Travis Lee, 28 Devil Rays $500,000 13.18 .275 19 $37,936
Still hasn't lived up to potential suggested by promising 1998 rookie season.
it's because he's not actually very good.
Scott Spiezio, 31 Angels $4.3 million 12.42 .265 16 $342,190
Likely to benefit from lack of depth at position among free agents.
career .331 obp. this is first base we're talking about!
Wil Cordero, 32 Expos $600,000 11.39 .278 16 $52,678
Hasn't played in more than 130 games in any season since 1997.
and shouldn't.
SECOND BASE
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARES BATTING AVERAGE HOME RUNS SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Luis Castillo, 28 Marlins $4.9 million 22.26 .314 6 $217,880
Had second best offensive season and put in typically spotless second base. Helped fuel Marlins' playoff run with consistent play. One of few Marlins to play on both of the franchise's championship clubs. But running ability is overhyped -- was thrown out in 19 of 40 base-stealing attempts in 2003, meaning the Marlins would have been better off, overall, if he hadn't tried once.
he'll probably get a raise, and should have a good run over the next couple of years. inexplicably, i left him out of my marlins comment yesterday.
Mark Grudzielanek, 33 Cubs $5.5 million 18.19 .314 3 $302,364
Had second best season of nine-year career in walk year, when eligible for free agency.
probably the luckiest player in the majors this year. he'll be overpaid in 2004. it'll be hilarious if it's the cubs.
Todd Walker, 30 Red Sox $3.5 million 14.69 .283 13 $234,854
Uncharacteristically, had most homers (5) of any player in postseason, despite missing World Series.
usable.
Eric Young, 36 Giants $2.0 million 9.51 .251 15 $210,305
Tied career high in homers but fizzled in 26 games for Giants after beign acquired in August trade with Milwaukee.
another late-career power spike for a contact/speed guy (cf: marquis grissom.) should be decent in 2004.
THIRD BASE
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARES BATTING AVERAGE HOME RUNS SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Joe Randa, 34 Royals $4.5 million 14.23 .291 16 $316,233
The best of a weak free-agent lot at the hot corner, Mr. Randa makes his year-round home in Kansas City and would like to stay. Without much help ready in their farm system, the Royals are likely to keep him on. Coaches say he showed marked improvement on defense this year, though numbers don't particularly bear that out.
the royals should drop joe randa like a bad habit.
Vinny Castilla, 36 Braves $5.0 million 13.72 .277 22 $364,431
Predictably, production has fallen off since he stopped playing half his games at Coors Field.
yes, but coors didn't help him as much as others. he still makes great contact, with enough power to be usable, though not at $5 million.
Tony Batista, 30 Orioles $6.4 million 10.74 .235 26 $595,903
Woeful .270 on-base percentage diminishes his value.
definitely hits the ball hard. if he could just walk a little, he'd be great. 50 bb in 2002 gives a glimmer of hope.
Chris Stynes, 31 Rockies $550,000 10.17 .255 11 $54,081
Rockies declined option on him.
will continue to be chris stynes.
SHORTSTOP
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARES BATTING AVERAGE HOME RUNS SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Miguel Tejada, 27 A's $5.1 million 25.34 .278 27 $202,249
Production fell off slightly from 2002 MVP season, and he disappeared in the postseason. Plus, he remains impatient at the plate, a rarity in the walks-conscious A's system. Still, there's no disputing his production and fielding, which means his hefty price tag is expected to land Mr. Tejada elsewhere next season. Will recent cost-cutting moves by A's open up salary room for a surprise re-signing?
no. they'll tender arbitration, and he'll get signed by another team. then bubba crosby takes over. a's get draft picks and salary reduction.
btw, the a's are not a walk-heavy team. in 2003, they finished with 556 bb, as far from the top (yankees, 684) as the bottom (devil rays, 420) of the league. they are much better characterized as a contact-heavy team. only anaheim had fewer strikeouts. it's time for the "slow-pitch softball" crap to end.
Rich Aurilia, 32 Giants $6.3 million 13.11 .277 13 $476,735
Has had troubling dropoff from 2001 peak form.
2001 was a fluke.
Mike Bordick, 38 Blue Jays $1.0 million 10.70 .274 5 $93,458
At his age, should come cheap.
also reducing his price is the fact that he sucks.
Deivi Cruz, 31 Orioles $1.0 million 10.23 .250 14 $97,752
Needs better plate patience -- just 13 walks in 152 games.
it's true.
LEFT FIELD
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARES BATTING AVERAGE HOME RUNS SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Shannon Stewart, 30 Twins $6.2 million 18.43 .307 13 $336,408
Placed fourth in wide-open voting for AL MVP award for helping spark the Twins' late-season run after being acquired in a trade with Toronto. His production didn't quite merit those votes, but he is a consistently above-average offensive player and gains attention with flashy outfield play. His Minnesota teammates want him back next year.
he is not above average. he will be grossly overpaid next year.
Jeromy Burnitz, 34 Dodgers $12.2 million 11.76 .239 31 $1,034,581
Due for a big paycut on a short-term deal.
using him in center a bit was a pretty creative move by jim tracy. he should have stuck with it, keeping rickey henderson in left and dave roberts on the bench.
CENTER FIELD
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARES BATTING AVERAGE HOME RUNS SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Carl Everett, 32 White Sox $9.2 million 20.78 .287 28 $440,327
Switch hitter brought a bad reputation with him -- for incidents like head-butting an ump in 2000 -- to Chicago after arriving in midseason deal with Texas, though the Sox said he had a bad rap. In 2003, he played in more games and had more at bats than ever before in injury-plagued career -- despite being hit in the head by a cellphone in a freak incident during an April game.
carl everett is not a center fielder. but he improved his contact rate markedly this year. if it sticks, he's a useful player.
Mike Cameron, 31 Mariners $7.4 million 20.71 .253 18 $358,120
Gold Glover may be glad to say good riddance to Safeco Field.
it's not safeco; it's the strikeouts. the cliff is nigh.
Kenny Lofton, 36 Cubs $1.0 million 17.56 .296 12 $58,371
Wants to return to Wrigley, and Cubs manager Dusty Baker wants him back.
rumors of his demise were greatly exaggerated: turns out 2001 was bad luck.
RIGHT FIELD
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARES BATTING AVERAGE HOME RUNS SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Gary Sheffield, 34 Braves $11.0 million 34.51 .330 39 $318,748
In second year in Atlanta, he fueled Braves' potent offense and broke Hank Aaron's club record for runs batted in, bouncing back from an off year in 2002. The lineup's all-around success, in turn, may have padded his stats by forcing pitchers to give him hittable balls. Has stolen 30 of 36 bases in last two seasons.
it always surprises me when someone who claims statistical rigor says something as nonsensical as "the lineup forced hittable balls." sheff is for real. he's one of the top 5 hitters of the past 10 years. it's been masked by injury and pitcher's parks.
Jose Guillen, 27 A's $500,000 19.77 .311 31 $25,291
In career year, production dropped off sharply in pitcher-friendly Oakland Coliseum.
yes, but that was a small sample size. guillen is the best value on the list.
Vladimir Guerrero, 28 Expos $11.5 million 17.99 .330 25 $639,244
Incomplete season makes this just about only free-agent list he doesn't top.
except for the "best-value" list. vlad is great and all, but i wouldn't sign him. he's gonna cost a lot of money, and there are injury concerns. save the money and spend it wisely.
Reggie Sanders, 36 Pirates $1.0 million 17.60 .285 31 $56,818
Has played for six teams in last six years, and will likely make it seven in seven.
sanders got lucky in 2003, so he'll be overpaid in 2004. his poor 2002 numbers are due to pac-bell park. power, strikeouts, and defense make him a good coors field candidate.
Jose Cruz Jr., 29 Giants $2.5 million 16.76 .250 20 $149,165
Newfound plate discipline led to career high in on-base percentage (.366).
cruz has always had plate discipline. his career bb/(bb+ab) is .116, which is above average. the problem is the strikeouts. he's basically a young reggie sanders. but not that young. and he won't last as long.
STARTING PITCHERS
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARE EARNED RUN AVERAGE WIN-LOSS RECORD SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Bartolo Colon, 30 White Sox $8.3 million 16.93 3.87 15-13 $487,301
The hefty right-hander rejected a three-year offer from the White Sox. Hasn't ruled out a return to Chicago, but may attract interest -- and big bucks -- from Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, who may lose three of his top starters to free agency. Has consistently been one of baseball's top starters over the last six years, but the 30 homers he yielded in 2003 are cause for concern.
colon is one of the most overrated players in baseball. yes, he throws hard, but his strikeout rate is pedestrian. and his k/bb. the yankees are the right team for him, with their penchant for overpayment.
Roger Clemens, 41 Yankees $7.1 million 15.47 3.91 17-19 $456,444
He says he's not coming back. Believe it when you see it.
no one really talked about this, but clemens was an absolute killer last year. he was better than his era, as are all yankee hurlers, because they play horrible defense. look at his k/9 and k/bb. that's phenomenal for a right-handed pitcher in yankee stadium. which shows you how unappreciated mike mussina is.
Sidney Ponson, 27 Giants $4.3 million 14.75 3.75 17-12 $288,136
Reached new level last year.
he's been at this level for four years, with normal era fluctuation.
Andy Pettitte, 31 Yankees $11.5 million 14.62 4.02 21-8 $786,594
Could lefty be too expensive for George Steinbrenner? Could anyone?
could this comment have any meaning? could any of them?
David Wells, 40 Yankees $3.3 million 14.46 4.14 15-7 $224,758
Disappearing act in World Series Game 5 hurt Yanks, and his market value.
see pudge rodriguez comment, above. these wall street guys should really stick to finance.
Miguel Batista, 33 Diamondbacks $3.4 million 13.51 3.54 10-9 $249,815
Steady performance last three years overshadowed by Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson.
2003 was the good year. k/9 increased by a full point.
Kelvim Escobar, 27 Blue Jays $3.9 million 12.10 4.29 13-9 $322,314
Has just one successful year as a starter, which may make three-year, $21 million asking price too steep.
the angels signed him. the angels are stupid.
Brian Anderson, 31 Royals $1.5 million 11.52 3.78 14-11 $130,208
May return to Cleveland after leaving for Kansas City in midseason.
anderson, leskanic, randa. not the signings of a contender.
Kevin Millwood, 29 Phillies $9.9 million 11.29 4.01 14-12 $876,882
Second-half struggles contributed to Phillies missing the playoffs.
how 'bout "first-half success contributed to phillies contending."? the phillies missed the playoffs because they suck. it's not kevin's fault.
if you wanna know whose fault it is, it's ed wade's.
John Thomson, 30 Rangers $1.3 million 11.13 4.85 13-14 $116,801
Hard-luck righty has had losing record in each of his seven seasons.
john thomson is the most underrated pitcher in the major leagues. that phonebooth they call a ballpark in arlington masks quality k/bb ratios.
Greg Maddux, 37 Braves $14.8 million 10.83 3.96 16-11 $1,361,958
Was high ERA -- for him -- a sign that he's wearing down?
tendering arbitration to greg maddux was one of the few mistakes john schuerholz has made in his tenure as braves dynasty maintainer. in 2004 it'll be some other team that overpays him, like the angels.
RELIEF PITCHERS
NAME, AGE 2003 TEAM SALARY WIN SHARE EARNED RUN AVERAGE SAVES/SAVE OPPORTUNITIES SALARY PER WIN SHARE
Keith Foulke, 31 A's $6.0 million 21.35 2.08 43/48 $281,030
After leading the AL in saves, righty may be too pricy for the tight budget of general manager Billy Beane. Mr. Beane's view that closers generally are overvalued is well-documented, but Mr. Foulke -- driven by perfectionism he nearly lived up to last season -- is clearly an exception. (Mr. Beane has compared him to former Oakland great Dennis Eckersley.) His value comes in part from durability: He pitched 86.2 innings last year, unusually high total for a closer.
an exception how? to beane? i don't think so. to you? does that mean you think other closers are overvalued? what exactly are you saying here, carl?
Eddie Guardado, 33 Twins $2.7 million 14.58 2.89 41/45 $185,185
Near-perfect second half may price him out of small-market Twins' range.
the best twins reliever was latroy.
Ugueth Urbina, 30 Marlins $4.5 million 14.37 2.81 32/38 $313,152
He and Pudge Rodriguez kissed after postseason wins in Florida's championship run; now both may be playing elsewhere.
thank you for that insight. people hated on uuu last year because his velocity was down. but he still has the k's.
Tim Worrell, 36 Giants $2.0 million 13.47 2.87 38/45 $148,478
Brother of ex-closer Todd got first shot at end-of-game spotlight this year.
looks like carl's running out of things to say. so am i. relievers are not important as free-agents.
Shigetoshi Hasegawa, 35 Mariners $1.8 million 13.39 1.48 16/17 $134,429
Starred in Japan before joining majors in 1997.
overrated.
LaTroy Hawkins, 31 Twins $3.0 million 13.24 1.86 2/8 $226,586
Quietly, setup man excelled while going 9-3.
quiet except for the 97 mph fastball screaming past your ear.
Paul Quantrill, 35 Dodgers $3.3 million 11.14 1.75 1/5 $299,222
Led majors with 89 appearances.
yanks want him. they are taking the "buy the championship" idea to its logical extent. it will fail.
Tom Gordon, 36 White Sox $1.4 million 10.84 3.16 12/17 $129,151
Bounced back effectively from arm problems.
k's are good; walks and injuries are bad. overpaid in 2004.
Julian Tavarez, 30 Pirates $750,000 9.91 3.66 11/14 $75,681
Transitioned well to relief duties after two years of shaky starting work.
in 2002, he was hurt. in 2001, he was good. i don't know how people can say such wrong things. all the time.
the thing that should not be forgotten is julian tavarez's 2000 season in colorado. 11 hr in 120 ip = insanity.
Footnotes:
• Rankings include top-ranked players at each position, by win share. Positions with strong depth among free agents have more players listed.
• Ages are as of opening day 2004.
• Salaries are as of opening day 2003. Sources for salaries: Associated Press, USA Today and ESPN.com.
• Win Shares gives a rough measure of a player's contribution to his team's wins, by combining and normalizing all statistics for offense, defense and pitching. Each win share is one third of a win. The statistic was developed by noted baseball statistics guru Bill James. For more information, see this column by Rob Neyer on ESPN.com. Source for 2003 win shares: baseballgraphs.com/winshares.
Write to Carl Bialik at carl.bialik@wsj.com
getting up on my high horse . . .
jay jaffe from futility infielder:
Damn. Just when I thought I had come around on my opinion of Bonds, he
pulled the rug right out from under me. There's no way of spinning this as anything other than a purely selfish move, a cash grab out of naked greed. Is it within his legal rights to take this action? Yes. But licensing money is a slice of the pie by which all major leaguers are created essentially equal, with their payments based solely on service time (see below), not on star power. Unlike the 25th guy on the Tampa Bay bench, Barry's already got an astronomical salary ($16 mil in 2004) and endorsement opportunities galore in which he can reap the benefits of his prowess.
tell you what, jay, i'll give you a million dollars, or you can give it to your co-workers. what do you choose? hurry up!
i hate it when people get on their high horse.
chin muzak
rob neyer was a big part of my path towards understanding baseball (i'm still on it.) it was he who led me to the importance of on-base percentage, he who showed me the wisdom of bill james.
rob's too busy writing books these days to produce good columns, but i thought it'd be fun to run some commentary on a recent chat.
Rob Neyer: Welcome to the Internet, Citizens! Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies!
the contrapositive, of course, is "if i tell you a lie, then you asked a question."
Anthony (Long Island, NY): Who will Nick Johnson be posting a .440 OBA for next season?
Rob Neyer: Perhaps I'm naive, but I don't think Steinbrenner's so rash that he'll order Brian Cashman to trade Johnson, who's got a chance to become an impact hitter.
steinbrenner is definitely that rash. he ruined the yanks in the eighties, and he'll ruin them again. in the 80's, he screwed the farm system with big free-agent signs. sound familiar? if you have no farm system, then you cannot have any of the best players in the game, because players peak at 28, and they're usually not free yet. also you have no bench, and no insurance against injuries. cf: enrique wilson. next year, the red sox win the division. then they start fighting the blue jays.
that said, cashman will not trade johnson unless it's a blockbuster.
he shouldn't trade him at all, though, because nick johnson will be one of the best five hitters in the game over the next five years. if you doubt, let's talk in 2008.
i don't know what rob means by "impact hitter", but either there are only a few or we're far apart in our evaluation of nj.
the only danger, and it is significant, is injury. nick's had wrist issues, which is scary.
stan from baltimore: How soon, if ever, do you see the O's pulling off a trade for Derrek Lee or Richie Sexson and which one do you think is a better fit for the O's? Also, a lot of people have called the O's the favorites to land Vlad Guerrero. Truthfully, how likely are we to land him?
Rob Neyer: I think either Lee or Sexson would be a fine addition for the Orioles, though Sexson's talents might play slightly better in Oriole Park, which is a pretty good place for a right-handed power hitters. And I do think Guerrero might end up in Baltimore, him or Tejada.
wrong again, rob. the orioles do not need to sign free agents, and they do not need to trade for expensive players who are past their prime. this is not the al central we are talking about. they are in a division with the yankees and the red sox. the only way to beat those guys is to get good young players, players who are improving. signing a player at his peak results in years of overpayment, with threefold missed opportunity: (1) you could have spent the money elsewhere. (2) if he's a free agent, you lose picks; the farm suffers. if it's a trade, obviously you lost talent, and it was probably young. (3) the only way to go is down, not up.
Gus ( Pasadena): Who are the front-runners for Tejada ? If he switches to the NL ...do you think he will still put up the same type of numbers?
Rob Neyer: Yeah, he'll put up the same numbers in either league. Tejada obviously played a bit over his head in 2002, but he was damn good in 2003 and that's the player that he really is. Tejada's bargaining position is somewhat limited because the Yankees and Red Sox already have shortstops they like quite a lot. I can see him signing with the Angels, the Dodgers, or the Orioles.
i have no idea who'll sign tejada, but rob is pretty correct on this one. his 2002 avg was clearly luck, but 2003 had a horrid start, so i would say he's somewhere in between. tejada, by the way, is an underrated defender, as are all a's. even eric chavez. people think he's the best in the game, but he's one of the best of all time.
it's not the pitchers; it's the defense. who knew that was the best way to find marginal value? waitaminnit, i think we have our answer. . . .
Tim (San Jose, CA): Billy Bean has now traded away the last two AL Rookies of the Year (Berroa, Hinske). Why does it seem like he still can only make trades with his friends (Riccardi, Towers)? He clearly has a history of trading talented players, can other GMs be ignoring good trades just because they don't like him?
Rob Neyer: First, I'm not at all sure that a significant number of GM's are "ignoring good trades" because they don't like Billy Beane. He's a likeable guy. Your basic point is a good one, though . . . For all the talk about the A's fleecing other clubs, they've traded away some pretty good playeres.
no, it's not a good point. let's look at those trades . . . hinske was traded for billy koch, who filled a need (closer), and was turned into keith foulke, who is a killer, plus mark johnson and joe valentine. johnson is a useful catcher and valentine is a live arm that went to the reds as part of the jose guillen trade. we've gone on a bit of a tangent, but that is a retarded series of upgrades.
plus, where was hinske gonna play?
berroa was part of a nine-player deal that also included the tampa bay devil rays. the a's lost aj hinch and ben grieve (another rookie of the year). but they got johnny damon and mark ellis. just damon would have been worth it. he's an incredible fielder. oh yeah they got corey lidle too.
it's not fair.
the a's trade good players because they have good players. loads of 'em.
Ivan Drago (Russia): Favorite all-time name for a MLB player? Mine would have to be Razor Shines.
Rob Neyer: Two that come to mind: Biff Schlitzer and Squiz Pillion.
rob wins this one. all i can think of are piano legs hickman and old hoss radbourne.
Andy, Farmington Hills, MI: Rob, In some of your columns, you have eluded that your upcoming book is about knuckleball pitchers. The title seems to imply that the book is about any/all pitchers. So what is it about?
Rob Neyer: I've never said I was writing a book about knuckleball pitchers (though it's certainly true that for years I've fantasized about writing that book). The new book is about pitches, pitchers, and pitching. If you want to know who invented the forkball, or the difference between a cut fastball and a slider, or what was Biff Schlitzer's best pitch, the new book (out next spring) will be able to help.
apparently it's co-written with bill james. i'm psyched.
Happy Jack Chesbro (New York): If you had to start your team with one current player, who would it be and why?
Rob Neyer: Honestly, I can't imagine making a decent case for anybody but Alex Rodriguez. Albert Pujols is young and he's great, but in two or three years he's going to be a slow first baseman. And he's easily the No. 2 candidate behind Rodriguez.
come on, rob, have a little imagination! how 'bout eric chavez? or nick johnson? or hank blalock? all of these players will have more value from now than a-rod or pujols.
i would take mark prior, personally. although the workload he's gotten scares me a little.
other possibilities: marcus giles, rafael furcal, josh beckett. i would actually take nomar garciaparra before a-rod. contact hitters last longer.
Jay (Saskatoon, Sask): I think Carlos Delgado should have been MVP. I think his stats were better and he at least played for an above .500 team.
Rob Neyer: His stats were better and he did play for a better team . . . but he also played first base. Delgado would have been a fine choice for MVP, but I rate him and Rodriguez as dead even.
delgado was better, but it's close.
Steve(Oakland): Ok, If you had to pick one pitcher, who would it be?
Rob Neyer: Well, this one's as easy as the other one, isn't it? Looking at a combination of performance and age, Mark Prior blows everybody away. This does ignore the inherent injury risk, and if there was a 27-year-old pitcher with obvious Hall of Fame talent and a record of great performance, he might ace out Prior. But I don't see that pitcher anywhere.
kerry wood has obvious hall of fame talent and a record of great performance, and he's 26, but prior is better.
Dan (Minnepolis): What do you think of the Twins trade of Pierzynski and who else if anybody, do you see them dealing?
Rob Neyer: Good trade for both teams. The Twins had three catchers (Pierzynski, LeCroy, Mayer) who could start for most teams, and the Giants had pitching to spare. As for who the Twins might still trade, they've still got two or three more outfielders than they can use.
the twins probably win this one, because they cut a lot of salary. but pierzinski's a hell of a player.
Dan (los angeles): ROB! WHAT IS BILLY BEANE DOING? TELL ME HE HAS A PLAN! (I like dumping T. Long and think Ramon had a fluky year, but Lilly for Kielty??!!)
Rob Neyer: I'm sure Billy has a plan, but I'm not sure (yet) if it's a good plan. I'm actually writing about this in my column today, and could use another piece of information . . . Does anybody out there know the details of Hernandez's contract, from now through its conclusion?
looks like rob got the details, but it's apparently not certain now that the trade will go through. we'll see. anyway, the value here is in dumping long.
the kielty/lilly trade is also a money-saver. plus kielty is a quality defender.
beane wins both.
Ron, Israel: Hi Rob, I'm a big Bonds fan, but I simply cannot understand how he won the MVP almost unanimously.It surprised me that almost no one paid attention to his extremely low AB and Plate Appearances totals (I havn't checked, but it might have been the lowest ever for an MVP). His absence from the lineup (due to injuries and his father's situation) obviously hurt his team (as can be seen by his low RBI totals). How can a guy who plaid only 80% of the time (130 games) be MVP?
Rob Neyer: I would have voted for Bonds, but the argument for Pujols, based on playing time, is certainly valid. For that reason, I too was surprised by the landslide in the MVP balloting.
bonds produced more value over replacement than pujols. but the reason he won is he played for a winner.
Kenric, St. Paul, MN: Rob, don't get me wrong, I think Ibanez is a good player, but I'm afraid that his signing means the M's aren't even entering the Guerrero sweepstakes. Why are they passing up on the great hitting outfielder who would seem to like the smaller-town atmosphere of a Seattle over a city like New York?
Rob Neyer: Not only that, but the Mariners are probably going to wind up re-signing Ichiro for somewhere between $10 million and $15 million per season. So let me ask you, what makes more sense . . . spending $15 million on Ibanez and Ichiro, or spending $15 million on Guerrero alone?
I'd rather have Guerrero, and find somebody cheap for left field.
the ibanez signing is a big mistake. he's a free-agent past his prime. but the mariners are fighting for second place anyway, so who cares.
Ted (Strang, NE): As another disappointed Royals fan, can you tell me what you think about next year? Will Beltran be traded? Will Ken Harvey be banished to AAA Omaha (finally)? Who can we expect to fill out the starting rotation? Thanks for all the good articles.
Rob Neyer: It will be a couple of weeks until we know about the rotation, because the Royals don't yet know the prices of Brian Anderson and a few other veterans they wouldn't mind bringing back. Harvey will get a chance to prove that he's not as terrible as he actually is, but by June he'll probably be allowed to play only against left-handed pitchers. And I expect Beltran to remain with the Royals until they fall hopelessly out of the running, at which point he'll be traded for a couple of Grade C prospects.
the royals got lucky this year, but they could get lucky again, and it's a pitiful division. of course it's just as likely that allard baird will deal them back to the basement.
what the hell kind of name is "allard", anyway?
Zack (Laredo, Texas): Any idea of Kim's future in the Red Sox? I mean, I've heard rumours about the Red Sox pursuing a closer, like Guardado and Foulke. Does this mean that the Red Sox will use him as a setup man (although Timlin consolidated himself as an 8th inning specialist) or will they add him to the rotation, or is he gonna be a trading chip for future negotiations?
Rob Neyer: I think they're going to seriously explore the notion of shifting back to the rotation, because they're worried about what late-innings blow-ups (especially against the Yankees) will do to his psyche. Basically, I think Kim's in the wrong division.
wrong division??? bh kim is gonna be just fine. he would be a good starter, but his strikeout rate doubles as a reliever. i think they should use him like the a's use chad bradford. ie, whenever there is serious trouble.
Jim (Stuart, FL): What kind of a year do you forsee for Josh Beckett? Was the WS a fluke?
Rob Neyer: I don't think it was a fluke; Beckett's got an immense amount of talent. But as a friend recently reminded me, six years ago people were saying the same sorts of things about Jaret Wright. Pitchers are unpredictable, and Beckett's spent a lot of time on the Disabled List.
the marlins have a lot of young talent, but they're gonna ruin their future by spending money on pudge or lee or lowell. what they should do is offer arbitration to all of them, and wait. ed: lee is not a free agent. whoever goes away will bring compensation picks; whoever stays will provide value on the field.
they're not gonna do these things, because it would piss off the fans. remember the fire sale of 1998? what's funny is the 2003 title is a result of that. but the fans don't listen to reason. what you have to do is forget about pandering and just win. but there's only one team that does that. (you guessed it---oakland.)
Rob Neyer: Thanks for the questions, everybody. Unfortunately, a couple of nincompoops have basically hijacked the process with the same two questions (neither of which I care to answer) over and over again, so I'm exiting, stage left. Which is probably good, because I still have to finish today's column. Happy Thanksgiving, and I'll see you in December.
happy thanksgiving to you, rob!
Sunday, November 23, 2003
the big, wide internet
saw a new blog today: management by baseball, by jim gilliam.
one thing he said that is wrong is that tino martinez is a slightly above average defender. tino martinez is a highly above average defender. the problem is jim uses zone rating as his fielding evaluation. zone rating is absolute crap. win shares is much better.
fielding win shares at first base, 2003:
ok the cut and paste job was hard, so check it yourself. he had a bad year (for him), so my point is not well supported. but he does have the best fielding season of all time, by win shares. i don't have the book on me, so i can't tell you when it was.
wow, this post turned into a train wreck.
Tuesday, November 11, 2003
don't quit your day job
i found this letter at dave pinto's baseball musings. it came from somewhere. it refers to something.
I share these sentiments, and have always wanted to be a stat-head, but I can't find the proper entry point. How does one get started with Sabrmetrics? I thought maybe this winter I would read Bill James Baseball Historical Abstract, but it's so heavy. Do you have to commit yourself to carrying around such tomes to be a Sabrmatrician? Seriously, is there a getting started manual out there for becoming a stats geek?
dave gave a very nice response which detailed his experiences and gave good advice. but what he should have written was this:
if you are not totally psyched about reading bill james, you will never be a "stat-head", whatever that is. people who know baseball know it because they are consumed by it. they eat, sleep, and breathe defensive efficiency and value over replacement level. there are hundreds of books to read, and you are afraid of reading one. go away and stop bothering people.
it's funny that people want to be geeks now.
more retractions
whoever wrote that stupid rookie of the year article also neglected to mention scott podsednik, who had a fine year, and was probably more valuable than brandon webb.
where do these people come from?
chris from manhattan:
In your discussion of ROY, you mention that Berroa played in a hitter's park (which I never realized) and that Matsui played in a park that was "death to right-handed hitters". Matsui is a left-handed hitter...
you didn't know the royals have a hitter's park?!! boy are you dumb!
Monday, November 10, 2003
i'm a regular chris kahrl over here . . .
rotoworld:
The Mariners would prefer to sign Ichiro Suzuki to a long-term contract before worrying about the rest of their roster.
Initial talks on a deal with the arbitration-eligible Ichiro didn't go well, with the Mariners offering about $10 million per year for three years and agent Tony Attanasio seeking at least $15 million. If the Mariners don't know exactly how much they'll have to spend on Ichiro, they might be shy about making a play for Kazuo Matsui and some of the other free agents they desire. Source: Seattle Times
this is an example of one of those bad contracts that's about to be signed.
rotoworld again
wilson betemit tore his thumb.
rotoworld says he still projects as a major league regular. i suppose they read baseball prospectus.
"read": present tense? or past?
betemit is almost a major league regular. he can do everything except hit a pitched ball with a bat. funny, that's what's keeping me out of the bigs! he's still young, so he could improve, but the odds are against him. with normal power increase, he's about 50/50 for a starting spot in 5 years.
ain't nothin but a gangsta party
the pirates declined pokey reese's $5.1 million option.
you see these contracts and you're like "what the fuck were they thinking?" then you're like "wow, they're much smarter than that these days." but that was these days. it was only a few years ago. they can't have gotten much smarter.
contracts that bad are signed all the time. the difference is it's not staring you in the face how bad it's gonna be.
rookie of the year
this is the big week. bud & the boys finally tell us the results of all those votes they did at the end of the season. i know i'm on the edge of my seat. but you're probably a jaded cynic who thinks the awards are arbitrary and the voters don't know shit.
rookie of the year should be correct more often. there are only ever a handful who get enough playing time. but still they screw it up. you gotta hand it to 'em.
yeah so the rookies the writers liked this year were angel berroa and dontrelle willis. the rookies who played the best were hideki matsui and brandon webb.
ok i'll make some arguments. the al thing happened because berroa plays in a hitter's park and matsui plays in death to right-handed hitter stadium. ed: which is not relevant, as he bats lefty. you can't get too angry because (1) the voters took position into account, and (2) the yankee was not overvalued. on second thought, go ahead and get angry. it wasn't position; it was steals, or "an exciting brand of play". at some point we have to stop excusing these people and accept the overwhelming evidence that they are morons.
careful, or you'll take me seriously.
berroa had 16 win shares. matsui had 19. offensively, matsui had 16.4. berroa had 9.6. just win baby, as al davis said (walking cyborg counts as dead), but it's interesting to see how 2 such similar offensive lines can be so different. people hate statheads because they tell them that the numbers they're looking at don't mean what they think they mean. yeah. so there's that.
avg/obp/slg:
berroa .287/.338/.452
matsui .287/.353/.435
people of low sophistication use the first number. moderately sophisticated people use the next two. then there's win shares, equivalent average, etc, but the point is they're all just numbers. they mean what we make them mean.
Thursday, November 06, 2003
the results are in!
so i was sitting there hating the void, and all of a sudden it hit me. the season is finished! we now have the data. this is almost as exciting as the season actually going on!
we finally have decent defensive sample sizes for 2003, and i hadn't even looked at them. sadly, clay davenport's ratings aren't up yet. on the way i noticed that the gold glove awards are out, but didn't stop to look.
luckily, baseballgraphs.com has defensive win shares.
i can't believe i haven't read win shares yet. i'm about to. anyway looking at the numbers, i gotta say it looks real good. there two important fielding categories: total win shares, and win shares per 1000 innings. eyeballing those two columns, here are my picks for the gold glove:
al catcher:
1. ben molina
2. brent mayne
3. ramon hernandez
there will be a lot of a's on these lists.
nl catcher:
1. brian schneider
2. paul lo duca
3. brad ausmus
schneider was superinsane.
al first base:
1. jon olerud
2. doug mientkiewicz
3. travis lee
the two-headed yankee monster was first in both categories.
nl first base:
1. derek lee
2. todd helton
3. richie sexson
big guys can field.
al second base:
1. orlando hudson
2. mark ellis
3. brett boone
clear stratification through the top 5.
nl second base:
1. alex cora
2. luis castillo
3. ray durham
toughest call. castillo and marcus giles have so many more innings than durham. i split the difference.
al third base:
1. eric chavez
2. corey koskie
3. robin ventura
ventura was too insane to leave out, despite the innings (666.666 . . . the fielder of the beast?) notice how yankees infielders benefited from the black hole at shortstop.
maybe that should cause us to replace ventura with tony batista. fuck it.
in other news, eric chavez is one of the best ever.
nl third base:
1. adrian beltre
2. mike lowell
3. scott rolen
i feel like rolen's the best. maybe he was unlucky this year.
al shortstop:
1. jose valentin
2. christian guzman
3. miguel tejada
i was berating hawk and dj for these picks during a late season broadcast, but the joke's on me.
nl shortstop:
1. cesar izturis
2. alex s gonzalez
3. alex gonzalez
that alex gonzalez guy is pretty good.
al left field:
1. randy winn
2. garrett anderson
3. raul ibanez
i don't like lumping all the outfielders in one category.
nl left field:
1. luis gonzalez
2. brad wilkerson
3. lance berkman
barry almost made it.
al center field:
1. mike cameron
2. carlos beltran
3. torii hunter
it's a mariners sweep. (see right field)
nl center field:
1. andruw jones
2. craig biggio
3. steve finley
craig biggio, represent!
al right field:
1. ichiro suzuki
2. chris singleton
3. magglio ordonez
the a's are underrepresented. with their mix-and-match outfield defense, no one got the innings to rank highly. they were motherfuckers, though.
nl right field:
1. richard hidalgo
2. jose cruz
3. vladimir guerrero
closest race for first. great year for hidalgo.
the biggest difference i see between win shares and davenport is at first base. clay, why is that? i talked to clay for three hours at a dc pizza feed but he won't answer my email. the cool thing about clay is that everything he says is correct. bill, feel free to chime in, too.